外国长文痛骂[《原神》] 抽卡系统系统已经快进到开骂了

外国长文痛骂[《原神》] 抽卡系统系统已经快进到开骂了攻略

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So I originally had little to no intention of making a thread like this, instead wishing to stay silent and watch as the storm inevitably blows over. However, a few recent events have convinced me to act.

Just so you all have some insight, I’ve played MMOs and gacha games for basically all my life since I could get on the internet (over 10 years now), and have experienced things from Nexon’s horrible monetization models from Maplestory to Vindictus, to the casino rate odds of Black Desert lategame, to being actually respected as a consumer in Azur Lane. Guess which one I’ve spent the most money on?

While I love this game, and fully wish to be able to support MiHoYo for their wonderful work, the fact of the matter is that the gacha rates in this game are beyond predatory, and this monetization model they’re currently running beyond exploitive, and as a result, I find myself unable to even give a cent of my hard earned money to support these dubious business practices.

Yes, you can enjoy the game without premium characters. Yes, the exploration can be completed with everything they give you for free. You can sink tens of hours into this game without paying a dime. But you can’t have the full player experience, to sate your curiousity with new characters or just have fun with the characters whose design you love, without either shilling out untold and unreasonable amounts of money, waiting almost a year for a ‘pity pull,’ or spending countless hours rerolling until you get a starting roll that you enjoy, which isn’t playing the game.

When a new 5 star character comes out, are players going to make new accounts and reroll to try to get them too, abandoning all their previous progress? At this point they’ll be more obligated to participate in this predatory gacha system, by which point so you know, the pull rate get the specific character you desire off banner right now is about 0.06% (estimated), while banner has about a 0.3% chance without pity. If you want an RPG horror story, just try to calculate how many rolls on average it will take to get a specific 5 star character that you want, and then convert the cost into whatever currency you use. Then realize you need 7 copies of said 5 star character to truly experience them at their full potential. Thinking about these costs unironically makes me shiver.

But in this capitalist society with which we find ourselves, money speaks louder than words. This is why I come to you all with a proposition; I ask the community to please stop spending on this game until we, as consumers, are better treated and given the respect we deserve. Until the rates and the built in gacha system are improved upon, and we are seen as real people and not just a convenient source of income from which MiHoYo can trick into this terrible economic loop, I ask of you as a community to stop buying the ingame micro transactions and the various season passes, so that MiHoYo can get the message. Yes, whales will be whales and continue to spend huge, but even whales will run out of steam (and money), and a system that’s supported by a few whales is unsustainable in the long run. That’s not to say stop playing, but just stop spending. After all, this game can be enjoyed fully as F2P. Don’t be pressured to spend by big shot streamers and YouTube upstarts pouring thousands into this game.

In a separate post below, I will include useful links with information regarding gacha comparisons rates and in depth calculations. I ask that everyone also approach this thread respectfully, and keep the discussion that is to follow respectful as well.

Thank you for your time in reading my post, and I hope that it has been a constructive endeavour.
来自 @trisolaris_xeonacid 的翻译
其实我一开始的时候并不想写这么一个帖子，而是只是吃瓜等着风暴过去。但是，最近的几件事让我不得不说点什么了。

就像你们所看到的那样，自从我能上网以来，我一直都在玩 MMO 和氪金抽卡游戏(超过10年了)，从纳克森(Nexon)在冒险岛(MapleStory)，洛奇英雄传(Vindictus)中可怕的抢钱模式，到黑色沙漠(Black Desert)中……(译者注：没说)的赌场概率，到在碧蓝航线(Azur Lane)中真正作为一个消费者被尊重，猜猜看，我在哪个游戏中投入的钱最多？

尽管我很喜欢这个游戏，并且很希望氪金能支持米哈游杰出的贡献，但是这游戏的抽卡概率简直离谱，他们现在的运营模式简直就是在剥削玩家，因此，我觉得我一分自己辛苦挣来的血汗钱都不会给他们这样不可靠的运营。

是，你可以在不用高星角色的情况下享受游戏；是，你可以在一分钱不花的情况下完成全部探索；在一分钱不花的情况下，你可以在里面享受几十个小时。但是，如果你不氪穿池子，或者攒一年的原石来硬吃保底，或者肝几十个小时的刷初始，你就没法获得完整的游戏体验，譬如满足你对新角色的好奇心，和抽老婆。

当出了一个新五星的时候，玩家显然不可能放弃原来的进度去刷初始转生；这个时候就到了毒池发威的时候了。现在，单抽从池子里抽出你想要的角色的概率是约 0.06%，并且每个池子都有 0.3% 的概率不吃保底(译者注：原文为 while banner has about a 0.3% chance without pity ，这里没看懂)。如果你想听一个恐怖故事，就算一算你抽出一个你想要的五星得花你多少钱，再考虑一下你要抽 7 个才能达到满命。想想这些我就感到战栗，认真的。

但在我们所处的这个资本主义社会里，金钱胜于雄辩。这就是为什么我要向大家提出一个建议；我请求社会各界停止在这个游戏上的花费，直到我们作为消费者，得到更好的待遇，得到应有的尊重。在利率和内置的gacha系统得到改进之前，我们被视为真正的人，而不仅仅是一个方便的收入来源，密友可以从中欺骗进入这个可怕的经济循环，我请求你们作为一个社区停止购买ingame微交易和各种季节通行证，这样MiHoYo才能得到信息。是的，氪佬扔是氪佬，并将继续花费巨资，但即使是氪佬也会耗尽精力(和金钱)，从长远来看，一个由少数氪佬支撑的系统是不可持续的。这并不是说停止玩，而是停止消费。毕竟，这个游戏可以作为F2P来充分享受，不要因为大人物流媒体和YouTube新贵的投入而感到压力。

在下面的另一篇文章中，我将提供有用的链接，其中包括关于gacha比较率和深度计算的信息。我要求每个人也尊重这条线索，并保持讨论的后续尊重。

下面的一些回复
Yup, personally i think its fine to lock characters behind a paywall as long as the f2p options can clear content. As soon as that’s no longer viable, I’m out of here.
The problem with this game is that there is literally 0 replayability. Books and Mora are hard locked behind money and at endgame there is 10 minutes of daily gameplay. If both progression and characters are locked, well - that just feels really shitty.
Before we say “this is normal for gacha games” granblue fantasy and fire emblem heroes were never stingy with stamina.
是的，我个人认为只要将f2p选项清除内容，就可以将字符锁定在付费专区后面。一旦那不再可行，我就离开这里。
该游戏的问题在于，字面上的可重玩性为0。书籍和莫拉(Mora)被硬锁在金钱后面，在残局时，每天有10分钟的游戏时间。如果进度和角色都被锁定，那么-感觉真的很糟糕。
在我们说“这对gacha游戏来说是正常的”之前，格兰兰奇幻想和火焰徽记英雄从来没有never耐力。

暴躁老哥已经开骂了
I'm a gacha dolphin for 6 years. I'm used to being fucked over the ass after I spend money. But there eventually comes a point where the amount of money you need to spend becomes so absurd that it's not reasonable to spend. I was going to throw a few bucks to try and hit pity for ventis banner. I looked at the shop and I need to spend fucking 150 SGD just to get 80 rolls (FOR MY FIRST PURCHASED. Subsequent purchases only get me 40 rolls). Normally this isn't too absurd as you only need that few rolls to get who you want. But you need fucking 180 rolls to get the 5 star you want (90 if you're LUCKY). And don't give me that bullshit saying you can get the 5* before pity, 0.3% is about as bad as 0%. Don't kid yourself. You really need to fathom how low of a chance 0.3% is. If the 1.1 leaks miraculously become true, which I'm 90% sure is bullshit, I will actually throw my money every patch, because I know I can at least get something fucking worthwhile for my money. I swear the only reason people could possibly defend these rates are either they are mihoyo staff in disguise, or they are giant masochists
我是加沙海豚6年了。我花钱后常常会感受难受。但是最终会出现一个点，您需要花费的钱变得如此荒谬，以至于花费不合理。我打算花几块钱去尝试可怜的文氏标语。我看着商店，花了150新元才买了80卷(我第一次购买。随后的购买只让我40卷)。通常，这并不太荒谬，因为您只需要几卷即可找到想要的人。但是您需要他妈的180卷才能获得想要的5星(如果您很幸运，则得到90星)。而且不要胡说我可以在怜悯之前得到5 *，0.3%大约等于0%。不要开玩笑您确实需要了解0.3%的机会有多低。如果1.1泄漏奇迹般地变成了事实，我确定90%的确是胡说八道，我实际上会在每个补丁上投入我的钱，因为我知道我至少可以得到一些值得我花钱的东西。我发誓人们可能会捍卫这些利率的唯一原因是他们是变相的mihoyo员工，或是他们是巨大的受虐狂

翻译好像有点问题，这是别人发的

翻译为意译，具体请以原帖为准。
其实我一开始的时候并不想写这么一个帖子，而是只是吃瓜等着风暴过去。但是，最近的几件事让我不得不说点什么了。

就像你们所看到的那样，自从我能上网以来，我一直都在玩 MMO 和氪金抽卡游戏(超过10年了)，从纳克森(Nexon)在冒险岛(MapleStory)，洛奇英雄传(Vindictus)中可怕的抢钱模式，到黑色沙漠(Black Desert)中……(译者注：没说)的赌场概率，到在碧蓝航线(Azur Lane)中真正作为一个消费者被尊重，猜猜看，我在哪个游戏中投入的钱最多？

尽管我很喜欢这个游戏，并且很希望能支持米哈游杰出的贡献，但是这游戏的抽卡概率简直离谱，他们现在的运营模式简直就是在剥削玩家，因此，我觉得我一分自己辛苦挣来的血汗钱都不会给他们这样不可靠的运营。

是，你可以在不用高星角色的情况下享受游戏；是，你可以在一分钱不花的情况下完成全部探索；在一分钱不花的情况下，你可以享受游戏几十个小时。但是，如果你不氪穿池子，或者攒一年的原石来硬吃保底，或者肝几十个小时地刷初始，你就没法获得完整的游戏体验，譬如满足你对新角色的好奇心，和抽老婆。

当出了一个新五星的时候，玩家显然不可能放弃原来的进度去刷初始转生；这个时候就到了毒池发威的时候了。现在，单抽常驻池抽出你想要的角色的概率是约 0.06%，而 up 池也仅有 0.3% 的概率(不考虑保底)。如果你想听一个恐怖故事，就算一算你抽出一个你想要的五星得花你多少钱，再考虑一下你要抽 7 个才能达到满命。想想这些我就感到战栗，认真的。

但是在当下这个资本主义世界，钱比任何炎上都有效。所以，我在此呼吁：请所有人停止氪金，直到我们被像消费者一样尊重。除非抽卡系统被显著优化，而且我们被看成真正的玩家而不是氪金母猪，请整个社区不再氪一分钱，包括大小月卡，这样米哈游才可能听到我们的声音。是的，氪佬会继续氪，但是他们早晚会被掏空，而一个只有少数氪佬支持的游戏是一定活不长的。这并不意味着我呼吁大家弃坑；而只是请不要氪金。毕竟，这个游戏即使是免费玩家也能享受到绝大多数内容。不要因主播和视频的影响而脑子一热往里面大把大把砸钱。

在我将发的另外一个帖子里，我将给出一些对于各种抽卡游戏的对比和计算的链接。我希望所有人都能认真对待这个帖子，理性讨论，尊重他人。

感谢您的阅读，并且我希望这个帖子是一个有建设性的尝试。

本文转自bilibili【作者：THQEA】
原贴地址：http://www.bilibili.com/read/cv7974700/
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